I hear that the next MindStates is going to be outside of the US. I'd like to cast a vote for Bolivia - in particular, the city of La Paz. I visited there a few years ago, and I can't really imagine a more perfect location. Some of its relevant features:
* Thriving, millennia-old shamanic culture
* Trichocereus cacti are about as common as dandelions, and there is a cactus botanical garden which is nearly all made up of psychoactive plants
* Many ethnobotanicals such as coca, cacti, yopo, etc may be purchased and used openly/legally
* Incomprehensibly gorgeous natural surroundings
* La Paz has a several block long outdoor Shaman's Market
* Miles and miles of street vendors selling native handicrafts, music, clothing, etc
* La Paz also has various (and excellent) archeological museums loaded with Inca and pre-Inca artifacts relating to ethnobotanicals and/or shamanism, ranging from historical museums to a museum dedicated exclusively to the coca plant
* Tons of great activities ranging from nature hikes to historical sites to great jazz bars and dance clubs
* Amazing food!!!
* So cheap its practically free to go there once you've bought a plane ticket
Take a look at www.murple.net/bolivia for photos and more. This would be an awesome place which I think all would enjoy. It would also probably be cheaper than almost any other country with features that would make them good MindStates locations.
The hotel I stayed at has group rates and can handle small conventions, there are other locations in town for large conventions.
-Murple
* Thriving, millennia-old shamanic culture
* Trichocereus cacti are about as common as dandelions, and there is a cactus botanical garden which is nearly all made up of psychoactive plants
* Many ethnobotanicals such as coca, cacti, yopo, etc may be purchased and used openly/legally
* Incomprehensibly gorgeous natural surroundings
* La Paz has a several block long outdoor Shaman's Market
* Miles and miles of street vendors selling native handicrafts, music, clothing, etc
* La Paz also has various (and excellent) archeological museums loaded with Inca and pre-Inca artifacts relating to ethnobotanicals and/or shamanism, ranging from historical museums to a museum dedicated exclusively to the coca plant
* Tons of great activities ranging from nature hikes to historical sites to great jazz bars and dance clubs
* Amazing food!!!
* So cheap its practically free to go there once you've bought a plane ticket
Take a look at www.murple.net/bolivia for photos and more. This would be an awesome place which I think all would enjoy. It would also probably be cheaper than almost any other country with features that would make them good MindStates locations.
The hotel I stayed at has group rates and can handle small conventions, there are other locations in town for large conventions.
-Murple
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Wed, June 1, 2005 - 4:08 PMWhile this idea may be awesome, I overheard that mindstates would be staying put in San Francisco, although everything is subject to change.;-)
Somewhere South American sounds good. Cheapcheapcheap.
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Thu, June 2, 2005 - 10:07 AM<gossip> Well I heard that Jon has lost sooo much money that MindStates may be taking a hiatus </gossip>
If that's the case let it be known that for future MindStates I would have paid a lot more for the gathering. I mean come on, where else do you get to listen to and meet as real people ALL of those luminaries???
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Thu, June 2, 2005 - 11:39 PMI heard that next years Mind States will take place between the ears ~ Know Matter What
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Sat, September 24, 2005 - 9:14 AMI love the idea of Bolivia: it sounds fantastic.
However, wouldn't the combination of the soaring cost of avaition fuel and the possibility of political turmoil affecting travel schedules reduce attendance?
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Sat, September 24, 2005 - 11:15 AMI think Bolivia is a wonderful idea! Columbia is also a viable alternative. We just need to set this in stone, as soon as possible. The less time we have to promote the event, the less chance we have to selling it out, and covering our costs.
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Sun, September 25, 2005 - 10:04 AMA few days ago I sent out a query to the Mind States e-mailing list asking what people thought about something held in Bolivia, and whether they were concerned more about the overall cost of the event or about when the event happened.
So far, the major response has been related to cost. It may be that Bolivia is not a reasonable option for many people, due to the plane fare. Fares are currently running about $950 to $1050 (for a flight out in October). I have spent 3-4 hours looking into smaller South American airlines to try to find better deals, entirely to no avail. The next step will be to deal with some travel agents who specialize in that area.
Another concern that has been expressed repeatedly is how far away Bolivia is, and that many people may not want to fly for that long. Why this concern weighs heavy in my mind is that--across the board--it has been expressed by people who HAVE attended my past conferences in foreign locals.
Finally, several people have expressed concerns about the political instability in Bolivia, and the fact that it is on the U.S. travel advisory list as a country to avoid. From everything that I have been told by people who I trust (folks who have either visited Bolivia or who live there currently), there is really nothing to fear. HOWEVER, the fact of the matter ("it is reasonably safe") doesn't mean that it will be easy to persuade people to go there when they see the travel warnings.
It is significantly cheaper to fly into Lima, Peru. That can be done for about $650 (which is still an expensive plane ticket for many, who are also paying a grand or so to attend a conference).
In response to the poll, three people who responded mentioned Costa Rica as an alternative. This is an option that I have considered several times in the past already, so I was glad to hear that there was some interest in it independently. It is much cheaper to fly into Costa Rica ($350 to $450). The country itself is not nearly as inexpensive to travel within as Bolivia, but it is still reasonable in the way that Mexico and Jamaica are.
Costa Rica is a central hub for cocaine trafficking (according to the DEA, $11 per gram), and there is a large quantity of Cannabis grown there. A friend who has gone there often and loves it relates that it is also easy to score mushrooms. A different friend tells me of a commercial Salvia divinorum field. However, there isn't really any indigineous entheogen culture that I am aware of there (please hip me to one if you know of it). On the other hand, coffee is a big deal there.
(As I was writing this message, another e-mail came in that both suggested Costa Rica and that mentioned concern about the travel advisory against Bolivia.)
Jonathan Ott recently gave me reason to think that Columbia is not the best alternative. (He loves Bolivia though.)
In any case, I have not written off Bolivia. My primary concern is airfare costs, and how that would impact attendance and production costs. (Consider that the Shulgins would need first-class plane tickets to travel that far due to their age, and these are running over $5,000 each!)
Next week I will be taking the Mind States bookstore on the road to the Symbiosis gathering [9/30 - 10/2] (a cool arts/music/tribal dance fest, expecting about 1,000 folks in the Santa Cruz mountains; see www.SG05.com ). The artist Mark Henson will be showing there (see www.sacredlight.to ), and I know that he owns some property in Costa Rica and spends time there each year. I will pick his brain a bit more about that country as a possible local for a Mind States seminar.
I would be interested to hear how people on the tribe list feel about the option of Costa Rica as well. Thanks. :-)
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Sun, September 25, 2005 - 1:56 PMMy personal opinion (and it is only that), is that Costa Rica sounds like a much more amiable and viable option for many reasons that you have stated. It is much closer, it is cheaper to get to, those who are hesitant of labels applied to Bolivia or political situations would be more likely to attend, the fact that you are already aware of things there that our community would be interested in having available is also comforting. And then, personally I just think I'd rather travel to and check out Costa Rica for the conference. Having an idea of the way these conferences run out of country, I think it would be unecessary to travel all the way to Bolivia, when all that is needed is a fairly nice hotel with pleasant immediate surroundings and suitable "entertainment", which Costa Rica certainly provides, with less unecessary baggage. And I agree with Jonathan that Columbia is not a good plan, and Jon, if you are considering Mind States Lima, please reconsider, unless you are just talking about using Lima as a starting point to travel somewhere else. Although, at this point I think there are enough conferences in this area that Mind States should do something different. There are plenty of other destinations, like Costa Rica.
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Mon, September 26, 2005 - 4:26 PMI'd be down with Costa Rica, sounds lovely. Been meaning to get my ass out there and Mind States would be quite the excuse. Maybe even get there a few days early to play around, or stay a day or two later and bum it out on the beach.
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Thu, September 29, 2005 - 8:03 AMI hope you won't too quickly abandon Bolivia as a possible location for a Mind States event. I would definitely attend something there and, while I'd probably be willing to go to Costa Rica, I'd regard a trip there as less special. Anyway, my post is just to say that Bolivia sparked my interest. Granted, you have logistics to contend with.
Peter K.
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Costa Rican Entheogens
Tue, October 4, 2005 - 1:26 PMfrom someone who is doing post doctorate work in the area of entheogens and was writing about a property in Costa Rica about 1/2 hour from San Jose:
> We have two native species of Virola which are
> both orally active, and Psilocybin mushrooms are abundant
> in the nearby pastures.
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Sun, September 25, 2005 - 5:50 PMI've been reading the discussion here about the possibility of holding the next MindStates in Bolivia. I was at the meeting in SF this past May and enjoyed every session I attended. If it were there, I wouldn't go. Why? Cost, distance, the political instability in Bolivia the cost.
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Sun, September 25, 2005 - 6:57 PMI don't want to speak for Jon or Mind States, but I don't think the idea is to stop holding the conferences in the bay area altogether. The idea is to have an alternative to the bay area conference every once in a while for those who are willing to make the trek. In the past there have been Mind States conferences in Jamaica and in Oaxaca, Mexico, but the conference started in and has always returned to the bay area. I was not able to attend the Oaxaca conference, but the one in Jamaica was amazing. It is a much more intimate type setting. -
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Fri, November 4, 2005 - 3:45 PMKevin is correct in his assessment.
There are a few reasons that I only hold the conference every OTHER year in the United States.
First off is that the bigger Bay Area conferences are a lot of work to produce, and there are other projects that I have going which need my attention.
Second is that I feel as though a big Bay Area conference held on a yearly basis wouldn't support itself on a number of levels. But there are many smaller events on similar topics produced by other people that happen yearly, which draw perhaps 50 to 200 attendees.
On the other hand, the out-of-country Mind States conferences that happen every other year ARE smaller events. This is the nature of the beast: they are more expensive and longer, and hence harder for people to afford or fit into their schedules.
For myself, the conferences held on foreign soil are more enjoyable. I can relax a lot more, the pace is slower, the time we all spend together is longer, and folks get a chance to have extended conversations over meals with the presenters and other attendees, or spend some time voyaging, checking out the local surroundings, etc.
So I feel comfortable with the ping-pong schedule of one year in the Bay Area, and once year in some exotic foreign local. It keeps the continuity of a holding yearly gathering, but changes the scenery and feel of the events.
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Sat, November 5, 2005 - 5:07 AMSooooo, where have we decided to do this next year? *smile* Time to get hopping. *boing*
Unlimited love,
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Sat, November 5, 2005 - 7:40 AMIs Guatemala an option?
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Sat, November 5, 2005 - 9:36 AMAnd I'm definitly going to the next one. Had too much fun in SF not to. I had originaly wanted to go the year before in Palenque (I think that's where it was), but the timing wasn't right. Now I'll MAKE time for this wonderful event.
cheers,
Clear
p.s. Rock on Jon!
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Wed, December 14, 2005 - 10:14 AMMore important for me than the place is the themes that Mind States next year will cover. Of course ethnobotany and shamanism will be recurrent topics, but what about the wider social and ecological context? From my point of view, as someone living south of the border, I'd like to hear more about strategies for dismantling the War on Drugs, harm reduction, conservation of entheogenic plants and the societies that use them. Making the conference a consciously 'boundary dissolving' one could also be a priority: by ensuring there is a good representation of English and Spanish speakers, for example and providing translation. The hard right in the U.S. is intent on dividing us by putting up barriers: we need to tear them down. -
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Sat, December 24, 2005 - 3:47 PMPerhaps somewhere in the Yucatan? I think it would help fill the void left by the infamous(smile) Entheobotany Conferences. Is Ken Symington still around the Sierra Madre?
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Re: Bolivia MindStates
Sat, December 24, 2005 - 4:18 PMSince I did not make it to Oaxaca I certainly wouldn't mind another Mexico (Yucatan) Mind States. However, considering that many of the participants of the international Mind States are likely regulars, I might speculate that less people would be likely to attend if it was in the same (or close to the same) location as the last international one. That's just a speculation, but somehow I really liked the fact that the international Mind States changed location every time.
So far, I like the ideas of Bolivia or Costa Rica. Perhaps even Belize would be a nice option (although I haven't looked into cost at all).
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