Orange Sunshine

topic posted Mon, April 10, 2006 - 9:34 AM by  Xmed
Orange Sunshine was a type of acid goin around Toledo in approx.1971....Rumor has it that it was made by an outfit called"Brotherhood of Eternal Love"...900 micrograms of pure,high-quality LSD.Can anybody confirm that??? Also....Ive recently learned that the CIA was in the acid manufacturing businness at that time....Confirm/deny that anybody? TYVM for responses.
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  • Re: Orange Sunshine

    Tue, April 11, 2006 - 7:14 PM
    I think that the first orange sunshine was produced in 1969. Although Owsley is sometimes credited for its production, I believe that Nick and Tim actually produced it, and it was indeed distributed at least in part by the Brotherhood. But 900 mics sounds high. I have heard that they were 250 each.

    Jonathan Ott claims that orange sunshine was actually ALD-52 (equipotent to LSD) and contained up to 300 mics of that material. However, my recollection in speaking to Nick was that the ALD-52 "line" was just a story cooked up later to try and avoid prosecution. (My memory on that point could be wrong though.)

    The CIA did run their MK Ultra program with LSD and other psychedelics, and the U.S. government had Eli Lilly manufacture LSD (breaking Sandoz's international patent on the drug), because Sandoz would not cooperate with the U.S. military's attempt to stockpile the drug. So yes, the CIA was involved in the "illegal manufacture" of LSD, but this was before the drug had actually even been made illegal itself, in the 1950s not the 1960s.

    -- Jon
  • Re: Orange Sunshine

    Tue, December 19, 2006 - 9:20 PM
    I dealt Orange Sunshine for a while in early 1972. I got it from some folks in New Orleans who used LSD as a sacrament. They had some "holy acid" which was unbelievably clean, but they didn't sell that. They'd turn you on, but you couldn't buy it. I hit the "Clear Light of the Void" on that; perfect peace, everything was white, no sensory input, it was like I has stepped out of time into a frozen moment. When I came out there were no more visuals, etc. Just perfect crystal clarity.

    Anyways, the OS that I had was a light orange, well-made compact little barrel, and 250 mics sounds about right. Very clean, very little tension on the come-up. About a three hour peak, then gentle reentry. There were some darker orange barrels later on which were a bit crumbly, and they weren't very clean. Had some phenethylamine-type body feelings.

    I had a lot of that OS, probably around 100 or so tabs. Interesting times.
    • Re: Orange Sunshine

      Wed, December 20, 2006 - 12:37 PM
      I'm inclined to think that the orange sunshine rumors are largely the good-ole' days syndrome. ALD-52, again according to Ott, is virtually indistinguishable in terms of effect from LSD. Given the extreme importance of set and setting, I think if users are primed to think this is "special acid", this is likely to contribute to a good time.
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        Re: Orange Sunshine

        Wed, December 20, 2006 - 5:42 PM
        Michael Horowitz also had some what was called "Clear Light" acid that I think was better than Orange Sunshine.

        Jag
        • Re: Orange Sunshine

          Thu, December 21, 2006 - 2:13 PM
          Assuming we're talking about LSD-25, it's not clear to me how one batch could be better than another. All of the known isomers and analogs of LS25 are weaker/less-active. It's possible that there could be adulterants on blotter that affect the experience, but if would have to be active in an incredibly small dose. We don't know of many psychoactive substances that are effective in the microgram level.

          I'm currently of the opinion that the perceived variability between batches of lsd is a function of 1) differences in set and setting, and 2) differences in dosage.

          I could be wrong of course! I often am. :) But I don't see on the face of it what else could account for differences.

          A number of people who took Sandoz LSD in the last year or so reported that it was identical in terms of effect to what they'd been taking for years, fwiw.
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            Re: Orange Sunshine

            Thu, December 28, 2006 - 3:58 PM
            I think that Set is 1/3 of the experience, setting is 1/3 of the experience, and the substance is 1/3 of the experience. Regarding LSD....LSD is a magnifier, so the slightest bit of contaminant is magnified1,100,1000, 1000000 times. So, the old adage applies here, "cleanliness is next to godliness"...ask Brucie about this. :)

            Jag
            • Re: Orange Sunshine

              Fri, December 29, 2006 - 12:19 PM
              > LSD is a magnifier, so the slightest bit of contaminant is magnified

              This is not pharmacologically accurate.
          • Re: Orange Sunshine

            Sun, December 31, 2006 - 7:17 AM
            Chemists tell me that you are correct but have left out one other difference, and that is the purity of the LSD. In the case of Orange Sunshine, even the DEA admitted that it was the purest acid they ever tested. . . . You can hear Nick Sand tell this story in his 2006 Palenque Norte lecture at Burning Man, which is now online as podcast #54 from the Psychedelic Salon.

            www.matrixmasters.com/podcast...html#054
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              Re: Orange Sunshine

              Thu, February 1, 2007 - 8:42 AM
              Personally, I'm for the continuation of LSD research, anyone else?

              Jacob
              • Re: Orange Sunshine

                Thu, February 1, 2007 - 9:01 AM
                Ditto! With Rick Strassman's US fed-approved studies on NN-DMT and psilocybin, LSD research may be back on track at some point. Guess we'll see...
                • Re: Orange Sunshine

                  Sun, April 1, 2007 - 6:56 PM
                  I agree with Lux as far as "all acid is alike" goes, but it seems pretty clear that LSA trips differ depending on the botanical source. Of course, LSA is measured in milligrams, not micrograms, so it's conceivable that other alkaloids in the seeds affect the trip also.
  • Re: Orange Sunshine

    Sat, July 28, 2007 - 5:15 PM
    I did a lot of psychedelics from 70-73, I don't know the mics of any of them, but Orange Sunshine was called 4way acid, all of my friends only took a 1/4 or a 1/2, a 1/4 was very mild, a half was a great trip, I took a whole one once, lost all sense of reality for 6 hours, I was in the woods, it was late December in Michigan, cold with snow on the ground, when I came back to reality around 6am I didn't have my winter coat on anymore, didn't have my shoes on, and I had also lost my glasses, that was probably the 100th time I had taken either LSD, mescaline, THC, mushrooms, peyote buttons, and probably a few I forgot. That was the only time I tripped that I lost total sense of reality, where I would have walked into a wall because all I was experienceing at times were images of these wooden blocks floating around, that were exactly like the ones I played with when I was one and two years old, I had only remember them then. So it was extremely
    strong compared to the windowpane that was prevalent back then. There were a lot of different pills back then, chocalate barrels, purple haze, all different characters printed on little paper squares (which was not windowpane), etc., the Orange Sunshine was definitely the strongest hands down that I ever tried, I have wondered a few times what amount of mics I did that night.
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      Orange County Sunshine

      Wed, April 23, 2008 - 2:55 AM
      I took a lot of Orange Sunshine in the early '70s although my first experience was with "Purple Flats" that was, as the name implies, flat purple discs. I only took a half and remember it being very mellow. Acid was only a dollar a tab back then as opposed to a whole ten dollars for a "lid" (sandwich bag) of stem strewn, seedy pot. Four Junior High kids could get off for milk money. One memorable experience was at a Who Concert at Anaheim Stadium (1971?) where representatives of the "The Sunshine Express" moved through the crowd handing it out for free. Later experiences with OS were accompanied by stomach cramps and teeth grinding that I had heard was because of contaminants such as speed and strychnine. The only unpleasant experience I can recall was at the Laguna Canyon Experience Christmas 1970 and although The Brotherhood Of Eternal Love dropped from a plane the infamous "Prayer Cards" with a tab of OS attached, I had taken, possibly, "Window Pane" (small gelatin squares) before I got there. I had only taken a quarter and was mildly and pleasantly buzzed as was the intention. My bad trip only started when I smoked some very strong hash and proceeded to get lost in the crowd. This was my last LSD experience until 1975 when again I took a small amount of Window Pane in the snowy wilds of Oregon. If not for being anxious about reliving the Laguna experience it would have been fine. It should be noted that I only ever took a half or quarter tab and hence never lost complete touch with reality. My visuals were only of real objects melting, growing, breathing, etc and the come-on was always accompanied by uncontrollable laughter. This might help to confirm the dosage/ setting comments. My present day experiences with marijuana are the same. By the way, I've never had a flashback although I sometimes get butterflies in the stomach reliving the memories!

      Can anybody confirm the speed/strychnine thing or more info on The Sunshine Express?
  • Re: Orange Sunshine

    Thu, August 30, 2007 - 1:45 PM
    One thing I don't see mentioned, I heard that Orange Sunshine was part LSD but also DOB. I saw a discussion of this on a pretty savvy email list. Comments?
    • Re: Orange Sunshine

      Thu, April 24, 2008 - 11:18 AM
      DOB would have taken more than 24 hours to wear off. You may be referring to something sold as "STP", which was indeed DOB.

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